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Hillary Clinton’s Favorite TV Shows Include Madam Secretary and The Good Wife

The 2016 hopeful also loves HGTV

Hillary Clinton sat down for an interview with South Carolina Democratic Party Chairman Jaime Harrison in a slightly less formal seat than her regular venues: a rocking chair.

Harrison’s “Chair Chats” series is meant to be a more personal discussion than the average presidential interview, acknowledging that politicians are people, too. It accordingly kicked off with plenty of talk about Clinton’s granddaughter, Charlotte Clinton Mezvinsky, and how much fun the former Secretary of State is having as a grandmother. As for who’s the better diaper changer, Hillary or Bill, she said, “We both were out of practice.”

Harrison also grilled Clinton on her favorite TV shows, and she listed two on-the-nose series, Madam Secretary and The Good Wife, as well as costume drama Downton Abbey. “But what I relax by,” she said, “is House and Garden TV,” naming some of her favorite HGTV programs to kick back and enjoy, such as Love it or List it and Beachfront Bargain Hunt.

Clinton and Harrison also tackled more serious matters like education and the Black Lives Matter movement. “There are some who say, ‘Well, you know, racism is a result of economic inequality,'” she said. “I don’t believe that. I think income inequality is, in large measure, a symptom of underlying racism.”

She would not answer a question on which Republican she’d prefer to face in the general election, arguing that she still needs to make it through the Democratic primary.

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