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The writer-actor-woodworker talks to TIME about his new book and how to restore decency to America_ by [Eliza Berman](https://time.com/author/eliza-berman/) and [Adam Perez](https://time.com/author/adam-perez/) May 26, 2015 7:02 PM UTC by [Eliza Berman](https://time.com/author/eliza-berman/) and [Adam Perez](https://time.com/author/adam-perez/) May 26, 2015 7:02 PM UTC Nick Offerman is trying to differentiate himself from Ron Swanson, the carnivorous, libertarian patriot he played for seven seasons on _Parks and Recreation_. He’s shaved his facial hair and lost some weight with the goal of landing roles that allow him to tap into something other than an insatiable appetite for bacon. But Offerman’s latest project is neither a movie nor a television show. It’s a book, his second, and it’s as full of heart as Swanson’s face was full of mustache — which is to say, very. [_Gumption: Relighting the Torch of Freedom with America’s Gutsiest Troublemakers_](http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00Q5DLXZM/?tag=timecom-20), out May 26, tells the stories of 21 artists, politicians, writers and prominent figures who share what Offerman calls “a general sense of American pluck.” Some, like Benjamin Franklin and Carol Burnett, will be familiar to most readers. Others, like Thomas Lie-Nielsen — whose company, Lie-Nielsen Toolworks, Offerman calls the “Cadillac” of American hand tools — may be new to anyone who isn’t handy in the woodshop. In his exploration of these 21 lives, Offerman touches on both the personal (hard work, tolerance and the joy of creating) and the political (gay rights, marijuana legislation and some of the more unsavory aspects of American history, such as slavery and the treatment of Native Americans). But more than anything, he hopes to encourage readers to think about “how can we all continue to be more decent to one another.” Offerman applies this to things like how we talk about the pay gap between men and women, and the way religious principles are sometimes wielded in ways that, as he sees it, can hamper the quest for decency. In his first book, the bestselling _Paddle Your Own_ _Canoe_, Offerman mines his own experiences for meaningful (and humorous) advice. Here, he turns the focus on the lives of others, but with the similar goal of encouraging the reader to find some inspiration to live with more honesty, integrity and tolerance for the choices of others. In conversation with TIME, Offerman talks about the eye-opening experience of moving from a small town to the big city, what feminism means to him and the plight of the American meat eater. ## Transcript [ MUSIC ] What does the gumption mean to me, or how did it come to be the title of my book? It came organically. I came up with this list of great Americans that inspire me. I sort of considered what's going to tie them all together? What's going to make this into a book, and I determined that it was the sense of what I call gumption. Which is, it's kind of intangible. It involves ****, and courage, and stamina, and character, and integrity. There's something about each of these people's lives and the way they carried themselves that inspired me to want to emulate them. One of the main themes of the book is, how can we all continue to be more decent to one another. And so i have to point up the people who i feel are being mistreated which are minorities and people in the same sex relationships or women. Or eaters of red meat. In the theater, we learned very quickly that we represent everybody and so that's when these things start to do occur to me when i left my small town in Illinois of white People. And I got to the metropolis of Champaign- Urbana, Illinois, and I immediately saw people being discriminated against. And just knew friends in the theater department who were going through the trauma of just coming out to, say, their families. And I was like, hang on a second, you're an amazing, intelligent, beautiful person. And you like, youre, you wanna maybe commit suicide rather than tell your family that you, who you wanna kiss. That seems [ LAUGH ] it seems unfair. Feminism is an important quality i think in society in something that needs to be talked about until we can legitimately complain [ LAUGH ] Until the guys are like, hey, hang on, you're making more money than us. That's when we can talking about feminism. We are slowly evolving. Those of us, like with Yoko, who has spend her whole life saying, you know, we could all just get along. And Eleanor Roosevelt said the same thing. When she started working with the United Nations and it's all these boys around the table wanting to throw spears at each other and she said we could just sit around a table and try to figure this out and then nobody's kids get shot. Hoping to do my little bit towards helping us evolve toward It's a place where we put you in nature. 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