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Director Ava DuVernay and actor David Oyelowo discuss their new Golden Globe-nominated movie_ by [Daniel D'Addario](https://time.com/author/daniel-daddario/) and [Diane Tsai](https://time.com/author/diane-tsai/) Jan 8, 2015 12:00 PM UTC by [Daniel D'Addario](https://time.com/author/daniel-daddario/) and [Diane Tsai](https://time.com/author/diane-tsai/) Jan 8, 2015 12:00 PM UTC In the new issue of TIME, director Ava DuVernay and actor David Oyelowo discuss their Golden Globe-nominated movie _Selma_—a look back at the voting-rights marches of 1965 that manages to feel utterly contemporary. Its relevance comes in large part from the film’s refusal to treat its main character, Martin Luther King Jr., as an icon. In Oyelowo’s hands, the character becomes a frustrated, struggling, but ultimately triumphant leader, one who would not necessarily be out of place on the streets of Ferguson, Mo. Perhaps it helps that Oyelowo, who’s become a favorite for an Oscar nomination for Best Actor, never learned about King in school: The actor playing one of the 20th century’s greatest Americans is, in fact, British. In this clip from TIME’s interview with DuVernay and Oyelowo, the pair discuss the resonance of _Selma_, as well as what may be the most important aspect of the film—the speech that was left out. ## Transcript Well they don't teach anything about Dr. King or the Civil Rights Movement in ,- Is that true? In schools. In the UK? Well it's the United Kingdom, not the United States. No. But he's a worldwide icon. What do you know about the United Kingdom in your schools? Oh. True. Touche. [ LAUGH ] But, you know, Dr. King is an icon, in the same way that Mandela is an icon, in the same way that Gandhi is an icon, and so, therefore, you are aware. Aware of him, and I was aware of him admittedly in a very peripheral way. What I need to know right now what' Martin Luther King about to do next? I have a dream. I can think of nothing worse than having to do the I have a. I Have a Dream speech. I mean really, I, I, it's like doing to be or not to be in Hamlet. It's just at that point not to denigrate the speech. It's a bit like doing a karaoke song. What you want in playing a character like Dr. King is you want it to a revelatory otherwise go and watch a documentary, go and read a book. One of the genius, elements of. Of Selma is choosing to do just those three months because ironically you get more of a sense of the man by going into a time where he's under pressure. [ INAUDIBLE ] when a mans stands up and says enough is enough. These are all the things that reveal who the human being. Is great storytelling, great, writing, is always going through the highest moment of tension. The deepest moment of conflict. And that's what this represented. And it's also the greatest moment of triumph for this, for SCLC. [ MUSIC ] You think about a couple of years ago, where we were very focused on the tragedy around Oscar Grant. And we would say, Oscar. Oscar Grant. We think about last year when we were talking about Trayvon Martin, we'd say the Trayvon Case. Around this summer, we kept hearing, Ferguson, which is the name of a whole community. Similar to the way people talk about Sama and not when Jenny legi, Jackson and it, something different. A catalyst that has triggered action within a whole community and a community that. You know, stands up to police aggression, raises its hand and says breaking up a black body is not acceptable. And maybe not knowing exactly how to articulate that. And maybe it comes out initially in rage or unrest or whatever but, it's been really beautiful to me over the last months to see the way that that unrest has blossomed. [ MUSIC ] Into a very targeted civil disobedience, with a lot of boots on the ground. A lot of people really organizing themselves. Selma is not a film that takes place in the context of history. You watch those images, and you, you understand how it feels to be someone in 1955, being shocked about what they see on TV. 'Cuz it just happened to you in August. 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