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Steve Jobs presents the plan for the new Apple Campus 2011_  by [Jack Linshi](https://time.com/author/jack-linshi/)  ## Jack Linshi Dec 10, 2014 3:03 PM UTC  Apple CEO Steve Jobs holds a new mini iPod at Macworld January 6, 2004 in San Francisco. Apple CEO Steve Jobs holds a new mini iPod at Macworld January 6, 2004 in San Francisco. Justin Sullivan—Getty Images  by [Jack Linshi](https://time.com/author/jack-linshi/)  ## Jack Linshi Dec 10, 2014 3:03 PM UTC Various media outlets are pushing a California court to release never-before-seen video testimony that late Apple CEO Steve Jobs filmed six months his death — and Apple’s lawyers are fighting back. Legal teams from the Associated Press, CNN and Bloomberg filed a [motion](https://www.scribd.com/doc/249707182/Apple-Opposition-to-Motion-for-Access-to-Jobs-Testimony) to obtain the video deposition, in which Jobs defends Apple in a major antitrust lawsuit accusing the company of deleting music downloaded from rival services from customers’ iPods, _The Verge_ [reported](http://www.theverge.com/2014/12/9/7358963/steve-jobs-apple-video-deposition) Tuesday. “We’re not asking for anything other than what the jury heard,” said Tom Burke, a partner at law firm David Wright Tremaine representing the media companies. “Steve Jobs is not your typical trial witness, and that’s what makes this a unique circumstance.” Apple’s lawyers pushed back on the request, arguing that Jobs’ video was not admitted into evidence, which means the exhibits do not have to be shared with the press. One of Apple’s lawyers, Jonathan Sherman, a partner at Boies, Schiller, and Flexner, said the video provides no real value other than to satiate the media’s curiosity. ### See Steve Jobs’ Legacy in 16 Photos  1976 Apple I was Apple's first computer, which became obsolete within a year. Today, they are auctioned off as collector's items. Justin Sullivan—Getty Images  1977 Apple II was the follow up to the Apple I computer. Apple II proved highly successful and spawned several variations. Ralph Morse—The LIFE Images Collection/Getty Images  1983 Lisa was Apple's office computer that was the first personal computer to use a graphical user interface. It was a commercial flop, largely because it retailed for a whopping $10,000. Ted Thai—The LIFE Picture Collection/Getty Images  1991 NeXT Station was a workstation computer manufactured by NeXT, a computer company Steve Jobs founded in 1985 after he was forced out of Apple. After Apple acquired NeXT in 1996, Jobs rejoined Apple. Kristy MacDonald—dapd/AP  1995 Pixar's Toy Story was the film studio's first feature film in 1995\. Pixar had spun out from a larger graphics corporation in 1986 with funding from Steve Jobs. Alan Dejecacion—Getty Images  1998 The iMac was originally released in 1998, and it was the first Mac computer to have a USB drive but no floppy disk. Many media outlets heralded it as a game changer. Over two million were sold in two years. John G. Mabanglo—AFP/Getty Images  1999 The iBook was a line of laptop computers designed for use in schools. The computer, called the "iMac to go," was a huge hit with several upgrades over the years. Ted Thai—The LIFE Picture Collection/Getty Images  1999 The Power Mac G3 was a personal computer in the Power Macintosh line. Its upgraded hardware meant it was faster than most other computers on the market. Alan Dejecacion—Getty Images  2001 Apple opened its first Apple Stores in 2001, with the original two stores in Virginia and California. On the opening day, thousands of Apple fans stood in line and collectively spent over half a million dollars. Justin Sullivan—Getty Images  2003The iTunes Store is Apple's online digital media store that redefined the music purchase experience and became a runaway success within years. By 2008, it had become the largest music vendor in the U.S. Ian Waldie—Getty Images  2001The iPod followed the release of iTunes and other consumer-facing software. It offered data storage and a sleek design, and soon became the nation's go-to portable music player. Gabe Palacio—Getty Images  2006 Macbook Pro was Apple's first computer to use Intel Core processors, replacing PowerBook computers. The Macbook Pro line is Apple's latest laptop collection. Justin Sullivan—Getty Images  2005 The Mac Mini was Apple's first consumer-targeted computer to ship without a display, keyboard or mouse, intended to minimize the space taken by a desktop computer. Justin Sullivan—Getty Images  2007 The first iPhone was released after years of speculation that Apple would produce a smartphone. It was known for its large touch screen and finger-touch method, as opposed to using a stylus. It was marketed under the slogan "This is only the beginning." Tony Avelar—AFP/Getty Images  2008 The App Store is Apple's online marketplace for downloading and developing apps. It was released alongside its iPhone 3G, and both proved to be massive successes. The App Store logged over 10 million downloads on the first weekend. Justin Sullivan—Getty Images  2010 The iPad is an Apple tablet computer that met mixed reviews, as users were not sure if it was intended to replace or supplement laptop use, though many praised its ability to connect to WiFi or 3G. That year, the iPad became the leader in the tablet computer market. Justin Sullivan—Getty Images “The marginal value of seeing him again, in his black turtleneck — this time very sick — is small,” Sherman said. “What they they want is a dead man, and they want to show him to the rest of the world, because it’s a judicial record.” U.S. District Court Judge Yvonne Gonzalez Rogers, who will make the final decision regarding the video, has already expressed concerns that a public release is “is diametrically opposed from the rule that says I cannot allow the recording of these proceedings.” Rogers said she will require additional time to make her decision. She will accept additional arguments from the media companies if filed by the end of the week. \[[_The Verge_](http://www.theverge.com/2014/12/9/7358963/steve-jobs-apple-video-deposition)\] ## Transcript At this time we have Samuel [ UNKNOWN ] presentation and it is my honor to call I'm going to take a little things out of, out of order. Actually it's under oral communication and as you know Cupertino's very famous for ,. Apple computer. And we're very honored to have Mr. Steve Jobs to come here tonight to give a special presentation. Mr. Jobs. [ APPLAUSE ] [ APPLAUSE ] Welcome Mr. Jobs and it looks like you have a fan club here. [ LAUGH ] Thanks yeah. Thank you. I was Apple's grown like a weed. And as you know we've always been in Cupertino. Started in a little office park and eventually got the buildings we are in now at the corner of De Anza and 280. But we've and those building hold maybe 2600 people. 2800 people. But we've got almost 12, 000 people in, in the area. So we're renting buildings, not very good buildings either, [ LAUGH ] at an, at an ever greater radius from our campus, and we're putting people in those. And it's clear that we need to. Build a new campus. So we're just out of space and that doesn't mean we don't need the one we got, we do need it, but we need another one to augment it. And so we've got a plan that lets us stay in Cupertino and we went out and we bought some land, and this land is kinda special to me. I when I was 13 I think, I called up Hewlett and Packard were my idols, and I called up Bill Hewlett cuz he lived in Palo Alto and there were no unlisted numbers in the phone book, which gives you a clue to my age. [ LAUGH ] And he picked up the phone and I talked to him and I asked him if he'd give me some spare parts. For something I was building called a frequency counter. And he did but in addition to that he gave me something way more important. He gave me a job that summer. A summer job. At Hewlett Packard right here on on Santa Clara off 280. The division that built frequency counters. And I was in heaven. Well right around that exact moment in time, Hewlett and Packard themselves were walking on some property over here in Cupertino in Pruneridge, and they ended up buying it. And they built their computer systems division there. And, as Hewlett- Packard has been shrinking lately, they decided to sell that property and we bought it. We bought that, and we bought some adjacent property that all used to be apricot trees. Apricot orchards. And we've got about 150 acres. And we would like to put a new campus on that so that we can say in Cupertino. And we've come up, we've hired some great architects to work with, some of the best in the world I think. And we've come up with a, a design. That puts 12, 000 people in one building [ LAUGH ] think about that, that's rather odd 12, 000 people in a building, in one building, but we've seen these, these office parks with lots of buildings, and they get pretty boring pretty fast. So we'd like to do something better than that and I'd like to take you through what we'd like to do. So this is supposed to work here. There we go. Can you see this? Yes we can. Great. So here's where we are today which is on Infinite Loop drive again at the. Intersection of De Anza and 280. Mr. Jones you can actually draw on the screen, that's how high tech we are. Oh good. [ LAUGH ] Use your finger. [ LAUGH ] So instead of pointing in the air you can just draw I, I don't really need to draw on the screen. It's okay you can see it clearly. [ LAUGH ] And what we've done is we bought this land right here. We tried to buy the apartments in the corner, but they're not for sale. So we couldn't buy those. But we bought everything else. And the campus we'd like to build there is one building. It holds 12, 000 people. And, and it's, it's a pretty amazing building. Let me show it to you. It's a little like a spaceship landed. [ LAUGH ] And there it is. And it's got this gorgeous courtyard in the middle but a lot more. So let's, let's take a closer look at it. It's got cur, it's cur, it's, it's a, it's a circle. And so it's curved all the way around. As you know if you build things, this is not the cheapest way to build something. There's not a straight piece of glass in this building. It's all curved. And we've used our experience in making retail buildings all over the world now. And we know how to make the biggest pieces of glass in the world for architectural use. And we want to make the glass specifically for this building here. We can make it curve like this all the way around the building. And you can see what it will look like. It's, it's pretty cool. again, today about 20 % of the space is landscaping, most of it is a big asphalt parking lot. Several big asphalt parking lots. So 20 % of it is landscape. We wanna completely change this and we wanna make 80 % of it landscape. And the way we're gonna do this is we're gonna put most of the parking underground so that we can have 80 % be landscaped and you can see. What we have in mind. I mean, there's nothing like this on the property now. It's, it's pretty bad. Today there's 3700 trees on the property. We'd like to, to just to you know, almost double that. We've hired. One of the senior arborists from Stanford actually who's very good with indigenous tree around this area. So we'd like to plant a lot of trees, including some apricot orchards. And again you can see what it might be like. [ COUGH ] And his is some of the infrastructure. Main building. We want, we have parking underneath the main building and the, that's not enough, unfortunately. And we have a parking structure here as well. The, the building's four stories high, as is the parking structure. So there's nothing high here at all. We want the whole place human scale. It's actually about the same as what we have in, in Cupertino right now. And in Energy Center we deal with people using sitting at computers all day writing software. And if the power goes out on the grid we get to send everybody home. So we have to have backup power. To power the place in the event of brown- outs and stuff. And I think what we're gonna end up doing is making the energy center our primary source of power cuz we can generate power with natural gas and other ways that can be cleaner and cheaper. And use the grid as our backup. We think that makes more sense. We've got an auditorium because we put on presentations much like we did yesterday but we have to go to San Francisco do to them, and a fitness center and some R & D facilities. These are just things where we do testing and we need some buildings to test in. And there's hardly any people in them. so, this is roughly the kind of thing that we're thinking about. And we're thinking about 12, 000 people, I put 13 on the slide just cuz we may, may get a little luckier than 12, 000. So we're, we're up roughly 40 % in people. Versus what the site has been used for already. And we're increasing the space to 3. 1 [ COUGH ] million square feet, so 20 % increase in space. The landscaping though in, increases by 350 %. Which is nice. The trees by 60 %, the surface parking goes down by 90 %. And and so I think the, the overall feeling of the place is gonna be a zillion times better than it is now with all the asphalt. And the building footprints actually goes, goes down by 30 %. So, we wanna take the space and in, in many cases we're making it smaller we're putting more of a desirable thing on the space. And that's what we'd like to do. So I just wanna give you a look at it. This is cafe. We have cafes in our facilities. And this cafe will you know, feed the better part of 3000 people at a sitting. That's what you need when you have 12, 000 people on a campus. And so that's what we're looking at. And I, I'd love to answer any questions if you have any. Thank you Mr. Jobs and we're really excited that you call Apple our home. If you go to your shop at Winnifinni Lube, you have a T shirt that says, the mothership has landed. And if you look at this picture, definitely the mothership has landed here in Cupertino. Mm- hm. Is there any questions or comments from my counsel colleagues? Council woman Wang. hi, Steve. Hi. Quick question. I think people are curious, as you know, what this city residents can benefit from, this new campus? Well, as you know, we're the largest taxpayer in Cupertino, so we'd like to continue to stay here and pay taxes. That's number one. Okay. [ LAUGH ] Because if we, if we can't, then we have to go somewhere like Mountain View and, we take our current people with us and, we'd give up, and, over years sell, sell the land here, and the largest tax base would go away. That wouldn't be good for Cupertino. No, of course not. And wouldn't be good for us either. So that's number one. And number two, we employ some really talented great people. And and the, and the, across a whole age spectrum. Lot of people right out of college. Hire a lot of Stanford grads, etc. And, and you know, people that are in their 50s and even 60s, like me, I'm in my 50s. So, I think that a lot of them wanna live around where they work. We have a lot of people. Riding their bikes to work now. We also run a bus service. We've got 20 buses that run on biodiesel fuel, they're the cleanest buses you can buy, and we've got 20 of them doing routes to, all the way from San Francisco to Santa Cruz, bringing people in, and. We think that would. We do very well with that here. So those are the things, those are the kinds of things I think could benefit Cupertino. An influx of, of a tax basis, an influx of very talented people, who are, you know getting paid. Would put them in a fairly affluent. Group of people. And many of them would choose to make Cupertino their personal home, as well as their professional home. I think there's a lot there. Plus. A whole lot trees and, you know, a whole lot less asphalt. True, those are great things. I think you'd be more specific is that do we great free wi- fi or something like that? Well, see I've always, I'm a simpleton. I've always had this view that. That we pay taxes and, and the city should do those things. [ LAUGH ] That's why we pay taxes. Now if, if we can get out of paying taxes, I'll be glad to put up Wi- Fi. [ LAUGH ] We should use our sales tax, part of that, to provide iPlaque or something to our residents and then get our free Wi- Fi. [ LAUGH ] Yeah, I. [ LAUGH ] I, I think we bring a lot more than whole free Wi- Fi and so Totally agree. Well thanks so much. Sure. Councilman Mahoney Yeah, so first of all, it, it was interesting your, your throwback to HP as, as a thirty- five year HP employee; most of it on, on the Cupertino campus and in those buildings there ,. Obviously felt sorry when I heard that that they were consolidating and moving, Yeah. but now that we've seen your plans you know, the word spectacular would be an understatement and I think that everybody's gonna appreciate [ COUGH ] what clearly is gonna be the most elegant headquarters. You know, at least in the US that I've seen. So, we, we definitely appreciate the, the work that's gone into it, and look forward to working with you to move it through the process. Thank you. I think we do have a shot of building the, the, the best office building in the world. And I really do think architecture students will come here to see this. I think it could be that good. So but, yeah. Appreciate it. Yeah Mr. Job, thank you very much for coming. Sure. We met the city manager and I met Mr. Cook and Mr. [ UNKNOWN ] and then also Terry and your campers and see this, the the concept. It's a very good one. I do have a question about, at they mention about the current infinity loop will be remain the same. The employee, the employee will stay there, right? Yeah, we need both to hold everybody. So that one will host about 8, 000, 9, 000 people? No, no. no. 20, about 2, 600. Oh, 2. 600 okay, And in this one will house 12. 13, 000. 12, 000. 12, 000, okay. That's our current. Alright, so then my concern is that last time I forgot to ask Terry about the safety issue you know because you have only one building has so many people there so all the safety will be put into consideration like a fire, everything? Oh of course . >> Okay. Yeah we, we spend a ton of time. Identifying and hiring what we think are the best people in the world at doing what we do. The last thing we want is for anybody to get hurt . >> Okay. So yeah, of course we're gonna I mean the whole building has to be designed with pretty pretty precise requirements for safety. But we'll even go beyond those. Sure. And then the second question is because the increase of the employment. The resident is concerned also about the traffic. So you have any plan to alleviate the traffic? Well we're not increasing the employment by much. You're not. No. Okay. It's by like 20 %. So we're not increasing it by much. Okay. All right, also I know you, you care about the air quality. Yes. I understand that you not allow any employee smoke inside the building, right? Correct. So. Both of my parents died of lung cancer from smoking, so. I'm a little sensitive on that topic. Sure. So I'm, I'm just want to let you be aware, I don't know if you're aware or not. There's a [ UNKNOWN ] Lehigh Southwest cement plant nearby the air pollution to this area. Are you concerned about that? Are, are [ CROSSTALK ] you aware of that? What is that? The cement plant is po, polluting the air in, in the entire area. The cement plant that's. The Kaiser? Yeah, 24001 Stephen Street. I grew up about five blocks away from that. Uh- huh. Six blocks away. Oh, okay. So I'm pretty familiar with the Kaiser plant. Okay. And, yeah, I think it'd be great if the Kaiser plant wasn't there, but. You know, they bought the land fair and square, so probably they're not going anywhere. Okay. But if you kick Kaiser out, I wouldn't cry. [ LAUGH ] All right, thank you. Thank you Council Member Chang. Council Member William, you have a very quick question, right? yeah, America Collection to Steve, can you give us estimate timelines and when you plan to submit the plan and when are you gonna do the ground breaking and when we can see the real building? Yeah, well I, I ask that question a lot of our people too. [ LAUGH ] We wanna submit plans fairly quickly, we wanna break ground next year, and we wanna move in in 2015. 2015. Yeah. Okay. Alright, very good. Thank you so, so much and we are really honored to have you to be here. I know it's not easy to get you here. And I think that your, your, your technologies really make everybody proud. And to put Cupertino in together with Apple. And we're really proud of it. Well, thanks. We're proud to be in Cupertino, too. Thanks. Thank you Counselor [ INAUDIBLE ] I think she stole my question. I was going to ask you, when do you break ground so you can start collecting those. Steals tax dollars from you. No, exactly. Exactly. [ LAUGH ] Exactly. But you know when Chris and I met with Mister Jobs, you know? I found out a little bit more about him is that actually he is a hometown boy. Graduated from [ UNKNOWN ] Middle School where my daughters going. Went to Homestead High School. So Mister Jobs is very well familiar with the City of Cupertino. So. We're very fortunate that you founded here in Cupertino, you decided to expand here in Cupertino. There is many choices across the country, I'm sure that many governors and many mayors said please come to us but you decided to stay here and I think it's because Cupertino's such an innovative place, a diverse place. And educational wise that we have such wonderful schools and later on we'll hear some other students on how they got awarded and, and our schools are, are doing so well. One thing that I want to ask you is to keep in mind is, giving back to the community. And one thing that we'd love to do. And I'm sure that our staff will talk about, is that we don't like going to Valley, or going to Los Palos for an Apple Store. We would love to have an Apple Store here in Cupertino. [ LAUGH ] And i can show you, even, I even have, you know, my iPad 2 here, which I love. [ LAUGH ] You know, so, if it cooperates with me. But, you know, this is a wonderful technology in my 11 year old just loves this Good! iPad 2. [ LAUGH ] Yeah, the the problem with putting an Apple Store in Cupertino is there just isn't the traffic. So I'm afraid it might not be successful. If we thought it'd be successful, we'd love to. We'll help you make it successful. [ LAUGH ]. Again, thank you very much for coming with me. I'm sure that you guys are very lucky to hear this very historical moment that you know? You were here about what five years ago was it Chris? That you made the announcement you- Right. Bought the 55 acres. Then you bought another 100 acres from Hewlett Packard. Mm- hm. And Apple is truly to acknowledge you of innovation and our city staff and city council looks very. Forward to working with you and helping you Thanks. succeed here in our community. Thank you very much. Let's give a big round of applause for Mr. Steve Jobs. [ APPLAUSE ] Thank you. [ APPLAUSE ] Well, we'll get back to working on our plans so we can get back to you as quick as possible. Sure. Thank you very much, Mr. Jobs. Thanks. Thank you. 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