--- title: Florida Atheist Kicked Out of City Meeting For Refusing to Stand During Invocation description: "I don't have to do that," he said canonical: https://time.com/3224345/florida-atheist-kicked-out/ author: TIME article:opinion: true article:content_tier: free article:published_time: 2014-08-29T20:33:32.000Z article:modified_time: 2026-05-11T04:43:04.622Z article:section: Ideas og:title: Florida Atheist Kicked Out of City Meeting og:description: After refusing to stand for the invocation or pledge og:url: https://time.com/3224345/florida-atheist-kicked-out/ og:site_name: TIME og:image: https://static.time.com/v3/assets/bltea6093859af6183b/bltde093bcdab65f2d0/6988d9b9bc6cfc69913e2a3c/time-logo.jpg?branch=production og:image:width: 1200 og:image:height: 675 og:image:alt: TIME og:type: article twitter:card: summary_large_image twitter:title: Florida Atheist Kicked Out of City Meeting twitter:description: After refusing to stand for the invocation or pledge twitter:image: https://static.time.com/v3/assets/bltea6093859af6183b/bltde093bcdab65f2d0/6988d9b9bc6cfc69913e2a3c/time-logo.jpg?branch=production --- # Florida Atheist Kicked Out of City Meeting For Refusing to Stand During Invocation > Sponsored content. 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A paid TIME subscription is separate and available at time.com/subscribe-agent. by [Patheos](https://time.com/author/patheos/) ## Patheos Contributor Aug 29, 2014 8:33 PM UTC by [Patheos](https://time.com/author/patheos/) ## Patheos Contributor Aug 29, 2014 8:33 PM UTC  _This_ [_article_](http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2014/08/29/florida-mayor-kicks-atheist-out-of-city-commission-meeting-after-he-doesnt-stand-for-the-invocation-or-pledge/) _originally appeared on_ [_Patheos_](patheos.com)_._ At yesterday’s meeting of the [Winter Garden City Commissioners](http://www.cwgdn.com/cityhall/mayor/) (in Florida), **Mayor John Rees** announced that they would begin with an invocation and the Pledge of Allegiance, as many government meetings do, and asked everyone to stand up. **John Thoreau**, an atheist, remained seated. Normally, that would be irrelevant since he has every right to do that, but Rees had other ideas. As the first syllable of the invocation was uttered, Rees told everyone to hold up because Thoreau was still sitting down… --- > “” --- Rees didn’t press it and the sectarian invocation (in Jesus’ name) continued. Then when it time for the Pledge, the conversation started up again: --- > “” --- Thoreau, a member of the [Central Florida Freethought Community](http://cflfreethought.org/), was quickly taken out of the room. The Freedom From Religion Foundation [wrote a letter to the city](http://ffrf.org/images/1wintergarden.pdf) today [spelling out the constitutional violations](http://ffrf.org/news/news-releases/item/21252-atheist-group-condemns-mayor-police-chief-for-ejecting-citizen-who-refused-to-stand-for-prayer) of which the Mayor is guilty and telling them how they must remedy the situation: --- > “” --- To show solidarity with Thoreau, several atheist members of the CFFC will attend the city’s next meeting in two weeks and remain seated during the invocation and Pledge. (That should be fun.) I should point out that “John Thoreau” is a pseudonym because the real person doesn’t want to face any public backlash or threats. That the Mayor doesn’t understand First Amendment rights is appalling. That he would single out one member of the crowd for not standing is even worse. Can you imagine how much more awful it would’ve been if this was a teacher calling out a teenager in the classroom? _Hemant Mehta is the chair of_ [_Foundation Beyond Belief_](http://foundationbeyondbelief.org/) _and a high school math teacher in the suburbs of Chicago. His latest book is called_ [_The Young Atheist’s Survival Guide_](http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00AB0XK2Y/ref=as%5Fli%5Fss%5Ftl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B00AB0XK2Y&linkCode=as2&tag=wwwfriendlyat-20)_._ _Read more from Patheos:_ * [The Brutalization of Women in Video Games, and its Apologists](http://www.patheos.com/blogs/imortal/2014/08/27/brutalizing-women-in-video-games/) * [Distractions Make Us Stupid](http://www.patheos.com/blogs/paperbacktheology/2014/08/distractions-make-us-stupid.html) * [Are You Supposed to Know ‘God’s Will’ for your Job?](http://www.patheos.com/blogs/shrinkingcamel/2014/08/26/are-you-supposed-to-know-gods-will-for-your-job/) ```json [{"@context":"https://schema.org","@type":"OpinionNewsArticle","@id":"https://time.com/3224345/florida-atheist-kicked-out/","mainEntityOfPage":{"@type":"WebPage","@id":"https://time.com/3224345/florida-atheist-kicked-out/"},"headline":"Florida Atheist Kicked Out of City Meeting For Refusing to Stand During Invocation","datePublished":"2014-08-29T20:33:32.000Z","dateModified":"2026-05-11T04:43:04.622Z","description":"\"I don't have to do that,\" he said","url":"https://time.com/3224345/florida-atheist-kicked-out/","keywords":["faith","Religion"],"thumbnailUrl":"","author":[{"@type":"Person","name":"Patheos","jobTitle":"Contributor","url":"https://time.com/author/patheos/"}],"articleSection":"Ideas","image":[],"publisher":{"@type":"Organization","name":"Time","url":"https://time.com/","logo":{"@type":"ImageObject","url":"https://time.com/images/logo.png","width":528,"height":156},"foundingDate":"March 3, 1923","sameAs":["https://www.facebook.com/time","https://www.instagram.com/time/?hl=en","https://twitter.com/time","https://www.pinterest.com/timemagazine"]}},{"@context":"https://schema.org","@type":"BreadcrumbList","itemListElement":[{"@type":"ListItem","position":1,"item":{"@id":"/section/ideas/","name":"Ideas"}},{"@type":"ListItem","position":2,"item":{"@id":"/tag/faith/","name":"faith"}},{"@type":"ListItem","position":3,"item":{"@id":"https://time.com/3224345/florida-atheist-kicked-out/","name":"Florida Atheist Kicked Out of City Meeting For Refusing to Stand During Invocation"}}]}] ```